Episode 252 - Where Were You for the Loudest Episode Ever?

[00:00:17] Hey everybody, it's another episode of Go Flix Yourself. My name is Ben Conowitz and with me as always is the baby spice to my ginger spice. Really? I always thought the baby spice was the cuter one. Bradford Owen. I'd ask me! The posh spice to my ginger spice. Nate Laux. I want to do the baby spice, but whatever. You don't get to pick, I get to give you. Yeah, also you're taking that David Beckham dong. Yikes!

[00:00:49] It sounded like it was both a positive and negative. Yeah, I wasn't sure really how to take it. Plus, you get to take that David Beckham dong that hurts every time. Of course. She's small. Why do you think if they say he bends it like Beckham? Oh man. Oh no, that's not at all. That's not even a little bit. Not at all. That's a movie with a little girl in it. So we do not talk like that. She's not little.

[00:01:15] I don't know. That's your choice on that one? That's your choice? Kate represented from Alabama? That's where you're going with that one, huh? Is that what we're... That's where you're going with that one now? Hey, hey, she's not little. I mean, I've seen littler. I've seen littler. I've watched movies with littler girls in it. And we wonder why... Yeah! Yeah! We wonder why our listenership just dwindles.

[00:01:37] Because Ben says stuff like that. We've got five people on the podcast. There's five Spice Girls. Let me get through this. Joe Mazur is the scary spice. Amen. To my ginger spice. Which leaves Alex Pappas as the sporty spice to my ginger spice. He's football, innit? Innit? Innit? Innit? Yep. And Brad is pedophile spice.

[00:02:02] Yeah, baby spice. No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! Spice up your life! No! They do say every boy, every girl. Spice up your life. People of the world. Spice up your life. No! No! No! No! Don't believe that the Spice Girls are wanting... Slam it to the left. If you're having a good time, shake it to the right. Let me know that you feel fine. Don't think they're wanting any of your involvement in their life at all. Pump it to the front. That's not... Listen, Old Spice. You're fine. Old Spice. You get it? That was a good one.

[00:02:30] We need to have the Spice Boys, then. No, we don't. Old Spice. I don't think we're good. Oregano. Salt. Bring on my man Paprika! Cardamom. I'd like to be cardamom, please. Popcorn Nacho Cheese. That's not... It's a seasoning. You sprinkle it. Smoke it on popcorn. That doesn't count. I'm talking about... I'm the one starting the Spice Boys. You don't get to tell me who's in my band. I'm not in your band. Okay, just because you started it doesn't mean you perfected it. Yeah, we perfected it.

[00:02:59] You didn't perfect anything. Yeah, Paprika is a spice. Paprika is part of the new Spice Girls. Wait, is there really a new Spice Girls? No! Sorry. It's going to be a good time tonight, everybody. So anyway, this is a movie podcast. We're a bunch of 40-year-old guys talking about Spice Girls. Only myself and Joe are allowed to guess now. It's just... It's one or both of us. It's true. The only rules that are new, right? Well, actually, what we're going to do is we're just going to...

[00:03:28] Whenever we have two singular guests, we're going to bring them back for a double. Because Brad's like, oh, Joe and Alex, you're in my head. I'm like, they were both just on. I know, yeah. I love it. They're the only two listeners we have left. Yeah. They're the only ones willing to come onto the show. It's been a long time since we've had two guests. It's nice. It is nice, actually. Yeah. It takes the pressure off. Yeah, and you don't have to do anything, Ben, so it's like a normal episode. Oh, wow. Guys, we talked about this in therapy.

[00:03:57] That was very Ginger Spice. Yeah. Yeah, he's Ginger Spice. But you said it. Yeah. That's what a baby spice would say. Yeah, baby spice is supportive. Meh, meh. Okay. Is that what a baby spice does? You always make things weird. You also knew all of the lyrics. I'm sorry. You're wearing an Afghan like a skirt. Who's making things weird? No, I'm wearing it like a blanket. Oh, yeah, with your little foot sticking out, like you're doing a burlesque show. You knew all the lyrics. What are you talking about? Why are you doing a burlesque show?

[00:04:26] Yeah, I knew all the lyrics to the Spice Girls song because it's a popular-ass song and it's a good group. And then I'm like baby spice and you're like, meh, meh, bat, bat. What are you doing? I don't know about their personal lives. What I really, really want is to continue with the podcast. Hey, nice. Oh, he wasn't doing a spice. Did you see that? Sorry. I missed out there. Anyway, it's trailer time. What? Hey, Brad, you got a little sponsor? Do I? Do you have enough for the whole class?

[00:04:56] Yes, partner. That's not Scottish. Yeah, partner. Nope. Still there. You did this last time, you dumb fuck. So shut up. You got caught on the wire and we did it. Are we sharing? I was trying to get it on his Afghan skirt. You did not even come close. You didn't even try. I tried my bad. That's cold. You disappoint me and your dead father. All right, guys. Dig in. Holy shit. That was good. It's a chip. You want a chip? Let me be clear.

[00:05:24] My father was never disappointed in me because he loved me and it hurts you every day. He does so badly. This is a chip. I know what this is. Tastes like a chip. I already know. Is it parmesan? I just like all the crunching. All right, so what do we have here? What do you think we have here? A bad time. That's what we have going on here. Garlic parmesan? Give me kind of a hint here. Give me a... Wait, when are we allowed to guess? Do we have to let you...

[00:05:53] No, you can guess any time. Oh, no. There's no right around here. Joe says he knows. Is that paprika? It tastes a lot like stuffing. It tastes like stovetop stuffing. Oh, okay. You're kind of on the right path. You're not in the right season. Joe, you're not in the right season, though. So as far as like... Sage? Not the right meal. Wait. What? Really? Think down on the farm. Oh, chicken noodle soup. No, no, no. Wait, is that what you eat down on the farm? What do you eat? I like them. I kind of like them, yeah. This is so fun.

[00:06:23] I do not like them. On a morning, you might... You're eating them, Alex. Is it biscuits and gravy? It is biscuits and gravy, Alex. Good job. Do you like them? I like them. I love these. So these chips... Give me more. I know. Why didn't you bring the full bag? Because they're mine, baby. So these chips first came out in 2015 as part of Lay's... Oh my God, they're gone. You ate all of them. Do us a flavor contest. I'm hungry. And this was the one that won, that people voted for, because it was so good. But it hasn't been back in 10 years.

[00:06:52] They finally brought it back. You can only get them at Dollar General. I got two bags, of course, because I'm just going to munch these up like a little biscuit and gravy. Oh, okay. And yeah, I think the flavor is right on. It tastes just like the pepper and the gravy and everything. And I love them. Alex, did you love them? No, I don't like them. It's spice, though. It's pepper. Pepper. Sage. No, you're right. It's sage. Is it sage? It is. It's a sausage. It's sage. But it's fine. It does taste a little bit like biscuits and gravy, but I'm not...

[00:07:20] Alex knows how to make pretty good biscuits and gravy. And also, I'm not a fan of whatever the dust is itself. I took four chips, and I had a four-chip bite, and it instantly mushed into... And then I could feel the flavor dust. The bite. I didn't like the bite. I didn't like it. Last week, we had a chip that Ben brought, and I forget the 7-Eleven chip. The 7-Eleven chip with that seasoning would have been fantastic. Because the actual makeup of the chip, he was complimentary.

[00:07:50] A little bit more structural and check it out. He didn't love that. It was a more robust, crunchy, ruffled chip. Yeah, if that was a crunchier chip, I might have been more on. So you didn't like that there was so much seasoning per volumetric component of the chip, It felt like when you pour chocolate milk mix into the milk, and it all powder sits on top. I put it in my mouth, and the chips got wet, and they melted, but then there was still flavor powder, and then I was like, this was a very... Brad loves that.

[00:08:21] What's the last movie you saw, Ben? Let's play a game. No, no, no, no. Let's play a game, Nate. No. Let's have a game right up front. All right, so I do have a game. Yes. Fine. So the game is... The trailers, real quick, the two trailers we're going to talk about later are what? Spoiler alert. It's fine. Nobody cares. You should remind me, because we watched like six, and now I don't remember which ones are the ones I have to remember. We did watch a lot of trailers. We watched a biopic, though. What was the biopic? Oh, yeah. It was Springsteen, a man from nowhere.

[00:08:50] Is it biopic or biopic? I thought it was biopic. Biopic. It's biopic. No. That's a procedure you give the doctor. It's a biopic. But I'm a big fan of biopics, as they say in La Porte, Indiana. Why did you say that like whoever does the song Fireball? Fireball. Biopic. We love you, Nate. Don't ever do that again.

[00:09:20] So I'm a big fan of these films, but I noticed a lot of them are coming out. And so what I wanted to kind of put out there is, are you a fan of music, Brad, in general? Yeah. You like asking if I like music? Do you like music? I enjoy music. What's your favorite band? Wow. I mean, it's probably... You invited me to a concert the other day. I didn't go, but what were those bands? Oh, I didn't get to go to see that concert, actually, but those aren't my favorite bands. My two favorite bands that have been for a while are Foo Fighters and Weezer. Why don't you like Death Cab?

[00:09:49] I love Death Cab. I've seen Death Cab live. But they're not like one of your favorite bands. They were when I was in high school and college, but since they're not really around much these days. No, they're still around. Yeah. But they're not really in any music. Ben, do you like music? Not really. Okay. I like music. Too bad. Joe, what about you? I'm a big fan, yes. Okay. Who would you put in your more favorite music? Hey, who would you put in your Mount Rushmore? On my Mount Rushmore. Not of dictators. Not of dictators. No, shoot. I had the dictators all planned. And that's the thing. We have to clarify. Okay.

[00:10:18] Everyone, everyone has their Mount Rushmore of dictators. By the way- That spills out of your mouth. I felt like everyone understood the Mount Rushmore of dictators. That spills out of your mouth without even thinking, you're like, look, Mussolini and Hitler. Everyone understood the Mount Rushmore of dictators. It's mostly because there's not a lot of competition. I get it. But also, so when I say Mount Rushmore, please don't think dictator like you normally would. But please think about the bands that you like and then try to fill that up. Everyone understood the Mount Rushmore dictators. But Joe, who are some of your favorite bands? So bands-wise, probably Matchbox 20 is one of my favorites. I really-

[00:10:48] But artist-wise, John Mayer is probably one of my favorites. Yeah. I'm a big fan of Billy Joel. He's got a song with Zach Bryan I love. Have you heard that one? Oh, really? I haven't heard that one yet. It's a good one. Oh, really? Yeah. I have to listen to that. There's others, but I'm on the spot and my brain doesn't work when I'm under pressure. No, it's okay. Alex, what about you, buddy? What's your favorite band? I really like the Smashing Pumpkins. I really like the Talking Heads. Yes. I thought I was going to say Bites Girls. Yeah. I'm going to go see Ludacris in a couple weeks. I don't think that's a band. I do feel like those Smashing Pumpkins are going to have a biopic.

[00:11:18] I would hope so. He's weird looking. Oh, sure. That one day he's going to get. Yeah. Another one I was listening to recently that I thought they're going to have a great biopic was Fleetwood Mac. They're going to. Oh, yeah. I'm kind of surprised that hasn't happened already. I think there's rumors that it's coming. Oh. All right. So this game is about. The Oasis biopic. That's going to be a good one. This game is. I am going to give you the album names. You're going to tell me the biopic that was made. It's Pearl Jam.

[00:11:47] I like Pearl Jam. Okay. And then if you. You didn't ask me. Good job, man. I did ask him. You didn't? No, he said, do you like music? And I said, no. So he moved on. Oh, that's what I was going to tell. Well, you don't like music. Who cares? Oh, so you're the piece of shit. Yeah, exactly. I'm not the jerk here. Don't make me think Nate did something bad. I mean, you fell for it pretty easily. No, exactly. Very quickly you took his side on this. Well, I mean, this is one of our problems. This is one of our problems. Between this and the revelation that you didn't watch Superstar after we recorded an SNL podcast about it, I'm really just upset at your deception.

[00:12:16] It's so funny to me because I just said, I like Pearl Jam. And then Brad's like, yeah, Nate, you fucking piece of shit. I know. It's like so quickly. Yeah, I'm loyal. He's so loyal. Yeah, why do you? Not to me. I'm always good to you. I'm loyal to everybody. That's the point. You can't be loyal to everybody. Watch me. All right, so I'm going to give you album names. You tell me what this band is in the biopic that it's named after. Again, just beep in. Now, to be clear, is it always a band or can it be like a singular singer? Either one.

[00:12:46] Because I'm seeing Ludacris and that's not a band. No. No, but no. So it could be a complete unknown. That's the one. All right. For example, here's an album title. A Night at the Opera. Bye-bye-bye-bye-bye-bye-bye-bye-bye-bye. Yep. Do you want the movie title or the band? Both. Oh, Queen. Okay. Bohemian Rhapsody. Correct. Wow. Are you a Queen fan? I love Queen. So you're giving us an album title from the band and then we just have to say what- Exactly. The biopic.

[00:13:13] So this is like, I'm judging you whether or not you know the music and the- Oh, yeah. I'll just sit this one out, boys. Pearl Jam. Is it 10 or live? Sadly, better man's already taken. Alright, here we go. Madman Across the Water. Honky Chateau. Brad. Rocket Man. Wow, man. Good job. Does it suck to play games with him?

[00:13:43] Who is the biopic on? Elton John. No, it sucks to play this game. Exactly. Well, to be fair, this requires a knowledge of music, not just movies. I'm aware. I think he knows the fucking game. You condescending freak. I think you know. To be fair. He literally has a PhD. He has a PhD. Hold on. Hold on. Yes. Instead of just going movies, you dumb country hick. The only one in the room that has a PhD is Joe Mazur. You need to know music as well.

[00:14:12] Joe Thoreau. No, fuck you guys. The complaint is that I know so much about movies, of course I'm going to win the games. You have to know about music to win this one. So it's a difference of skill sets and knowledge. Hey, I was impressed, man. Thank you. No, he's the asshole. He's making me feel bad for knowing stuff. That's because he only knows Pearl Jam. And you took his son. And this is the thanks I get. Here's who I feel bad for. The listener. There's just no way that the volume setting

[00:14:41] on this episode is going to be anything other than this. I don't. I'm sorry. You got to put this on a two. And then every once in a while, you hear a lot of what we're saying. This is not a ghost. What was your favorite part of the episode? Oh, the part where I heard one of them talk. Yeah. I don't know. There was a lot of fucking screaming the entire. And it was from fucking Ground Zero. 9-11? It was from 9-11. Yeah. This was the 9-11 of Goldblings Yourself.

[00:15:09] Where were you for their loudest episode ever? Hey, and this one, you can forget. I'm going to switch it up. All right? I'm going to do actors from the biopic. Okay. Would that help you a little bit? Is it still musical, though? Are they still musical biopics of bands? Yes. But I'll do the actors instead of the actual albums. Hey, I was having a great time. It's okay. What was the game you did the other day? Even Bragg? Roleplay. Yeah, it was just one round of roleplay.

[00:15:38] He wrote like one-tenth of a game. Says the guy who hasn't read the game in five years. And I'm doing great. You piece of shit. All right. Here we go. This one is starring... Hold on. Reese Witherspoon. Honky Donk. Yep. Walk the line. Man. All right. Moving on. Here is one.

[00:16:07] This one stars Kerry Washington. Beep, beep. Yep. Dream Girls. Nope. Shit. Regina King. Jamie Foxx. Beep, beep, beep. Ray. Beep, beep, beep. It was me. It was me. Okay. Sorry, I didn't beep. It was. Well, you should because that's how the game is played. My bad. Ray. Correct. All right. Here we go. This stars Corey Hawkins. Huh?

[00:16:38] Yep. Straight Outta Compton. Wow. By the way, has anybody else in here seen Straight Outta Compton? Actually, I haven't. I feel like we should go back to album names. Okay. Would you... Hey, Alex. I'm going to make it better for the guy who's already really good at movies. I'm 100% positive had you named NWA's first album, I would have gotten that before Brad. Yeah. So you would have gotten like Straight Outta Compton. I mean, honestly, Straight Outta Compton. If there's one thing that we know when we talk to Alex, it's that he is street.

[00:17:08] Yeah, I'm the street. All right. Here's some album names. I'm just saying. We'll go back to album names. Okay. I really have to get this one right. NWA's first album, Polka from Memphis. Oh, but then I take it back. I'm wrong. Sorry, Brad. LA Woman. Me. Yeah. Me. The Doors. Jim Morrison. Yes. Who is Jim Morrison? Who was he? No, in the... Oh, Val Kilman. Correct. All right. Me. All right. Alex Swintz.

[00:17:38] So here's another one. Who is this? This is really tough. La Bamba. Ben. Yep. La Bamba. Nailed it. Nailed it. Which was a biopic on who? Richie Sambora. Nah, it's close. Richie Sambora. Is that not? Richie Valens. Ah, shit. I really thought that's what his name was.

[00:18:08] Is that the guy from Bob Jovi? Who's Richie Sambora? He's the guy from Bob Jovi. Is he really? Wait, who is it though? He's the guy from Bob Jovi. No, no, no. Who is the La Bamba guy? Richie Valen. Richie Valen. Richie Valen. Thank you. Okay. All right. Is it Ricky Valen? It's Vicky Valencore. It's Richie Valencore. Okay. Here we go. This is Back to Black. Ben. Yep.

[00:18:36] That is ACDC? They don't have a biopic. This is actually a little bit different. It's not a biopic. Ashley? Amy Winehouse. It was a documentary. I threw a little thing in there. Well, you should have gone with the biopic though because she has a biopic. Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's called Amy. Yeah, but Nate wanted to do something special there. Isn't it called Amy or is it called? I don't know. Well, you lose. All right.

[00:19:06] Last one. Last one. Here we go. Sarah Silverman. I never loved a man the way I love you. Yeah, but what's the album? Young. Gifted and black. Respect. Ben. Yeah. Aretha. Oh. I did know this one. Yeah. And it is Aretha Franklin. What's the film called? Respect. Correct. Starring Aretha Franklin. Jennifer Hudson. Jennifer Hudson.

[00:19:35] By the way, the name of the Amy Winehouse movie is Back to Black. Is it really? Yeah. Who is Amy Winehouse? The documentary is Amy. It's not a known person. That was a very, very big documentary. Her name is Marissa Abello. Okay. Okay. So, what is your favorite biopic? Wow. My favorite music biopic is probably either Walk the Line or Straight Outta Compton. Walk the Line is my favorite. Yeah. Do you guys have a different one?

[00:20:05] Does it have to be the music biopic? As opposed to just a regular biopic? As opposed to a regular biopic. Like any other biopic? Like Aviator, for example. Oh, you love Aviator? I'm not saying that. I'm asking as an example. I mean, I think a musical biopic will be fun. It was about music biopics. Yeah, I would say, yeah. Because we're talking about a trailer that's a music biopic. So, it could be the most recent Bob Dylan one. What was that one called? Still haven't seen that one. Complete Unknown. Complete Unknown, yeah. I mean, the Aviator is great, though. I know. Actually, I don't think I ever saw Rocket Man.

[00:20:35] And then what's the Bohemian Rhapsody? Bohemian Rhapsody is whatever. But it did win Rami Malek some awards, though. Yeah. That was the best thing about Bohemian Rhapsody is Rami Malek found a way to seem like a normal person. Such a weird guy. Take that, Rami Malek. I love my favorite biopic. Actually, Ray is mine. It takes a village. And that's the Village People documentary. I love that one. Is Pearl Jam in that? It's pretty good.

[00:21:08] Ray is my favorite one. Okay. What about you, Alex? That's Ray and I Compton, I think, is my favorite music biopic. I still have not seen it. Is it great? Oh, it's so good. It is. Is it really good? So, so good. I want to see it, but I've not seen it. Yeah. All right. That's your game, Ben. Thanks, buddy. Good game. And I know that you wrote it thinking of me. I did. For sure. I did. I know how much you love it. You love music. And I love biopics about music. Yep. And no other genre of film. Yeah. So it's good. It was right in my eye. Thanks, buddy. All right.

[00:21:38] Well, thanks so much for listening to the podcast tonight. What's the last movie you saw? Joe. Yeah. I was hoping you'd ask that. I stayed up really late last night to watch The Hitman's Bodyguard. Oh, good. Did you see this yet? Wait. Is that a prequel to The Hitman's Wife's Bodyguard? No, actually, it's the opposite. I said prequel. It's not. It's not a prequel. The Hitman's Wife's Bodyguard is the first one?

[00:22:07] Yeah, but it can't be a prequel because of that. Oh, I was not doing a bit. I thought that The Hitman's Bodyguard was the first one and The Hitman's Wife's Bodyguard was the second one. It is. That's what I thought. So I said, is that a prequel to The Hitman's Wife's Bodyguard? And then you said no. No, it's not. Because they didn't make it after the original. It's just the first movie. It's just the first one. That's the definition of the word? I get the confusion. The definition of the word? Boys, you love each other. Let the joke go. It's okay. Let the joke go.

[00:22:34] No one calls Star Wars a prequel to Empire Strikes Back because that's not what the word means. Oh my God. You pedantic piece of shit. Let the joke. Fuck. Fuck. I don't like jokes. I don't use words how they mean. Good God. Hey Joe, you look really shitty today. Sorry, I meant happy. But I used the word shitty to mean happy. Because I don't know what fucking words mean. You get so lost in being right that you can't even acknowledge anything funny. And you get so lost in English as a language. Bitch.

[00:23:05] So anyways, The Hitman's Funny Car is quite good. Why the fuck did you watch that movie? I'll tell you why. It was a prequel to The Hitman's Funny Car. You wanted to know the groundwork. No, because I love Ryan Reynolds and Sam Jackson. And I wanted to see them hang out together in a car for a while. And I thought it would be really funny. And it was. Well, I thought it was. No, shut up. Listen. But Brad doesn't like movies though.

[00:23:31] I also watched, somewhat recently I watched Mile 22 with Mark Wahlberg. And so I purposely picked this one because I thought it served as a good foil to that film because they are somewhat similar in the concept. Did you mean Two Guns? No, he watched Mile 22. Mile 22 starring Mark Wahlberg. Because I felt like Two Guns is a more apt representation if you're trying to compare the two films. He wanted something different. I wanted to try to compare the two. I wanted to set a foil.

[00:24:01] A contrast. I don't know what that means though. A contrast. Well, you don't have a doctorate. Oh, that's true. Is it because it's wrapping it in foil? Yeah, it keeps it warm after you cook and kind of let it finish the process. I'll tell you what Two Guns isn't. It's not a prequel. Is it a pre-bake? Wrapped in foil? I don't even know what Two Guns is. It's Denzel Washington and Mark Wahlberg. No, you're kidding. I'd have to watch that next. Thank you. And he will love it. I will absolutely. It's like anti-foil to Mile 22. I love it.

[00:24:30] It's 100% anti-foil. You are right. Anti-foil. I'm learning words. Yes, I'm learning words. I love it. Anti-foil. Mile 22 is like this really serious film, right? Where Mark Wahlberg is trying to bring this. What's his name? The martial artist that I can't remember his name. Steven Seagal. Jackie Chan. Steven Seagal. He played. The character is Lenore. He's the Raid. What is his freaking name? He's the Raid. Oh, I think I go away. Thank you. Yeah, I go away. That guy. Ronda Rousey. I go away. Anyways. Very serious film.

[00:24:59] Cool. And then this is like totally the other direction, which I love. Some would say a foil. Even the image when you go to like Netflix or whatever. Is it Netflix? Sure. Whatever. Whatever. When you go to the streaming service, the image is from the bodyguard, right? Like they're, you know this, right? Have you seen this? I've seen it. Have you seen The Bodyguard starring Kevin Costner and Winnie Houston? Listen, if anybody's in the room and they can fucking leave, that movie's a classic. Thank you. And I. That's right. Exactly.

[00:25:30] And the image on the front, on the movie case is- Him holding her. Him holding her. And so this is- Already, I know it's going to be- Already his expectations were high. Sky high. My point is they know that they're going to be making fun of themselves. And it's really funny. I just enjoyed it because I love Ryan Reynolds. He's very funny. Samuel L. Jackson is Samuel L. Jackson as classic as he- He uses the word motherfucker probably a thousand times in the film. They even make a joke about him using the word motherfucker.

[00:26:01] Favorite part, though, I wanted to tell you was when he says he is harm's way. Did you see it? So you've seen it? You've seen it. Who else has seen it? Everyone's seen it? Everyone's seen it. Dang. You're in harm's way. I am harm's way. It's a movie with Ryan Reynolds and Samuel L. Jackson in it. Everyone's seen it. I thought it was like ahead of the game. Dang, man. No. That's how back behind things I am. No. I didn't hate this movie. I just didn't think- Thank God. I just didn't think the script was as clever as it should have been.

[00:26:27] I think when you have people like Ryan Reynolds and Samuel L. Jackson in a movie like this, then that script better be fucking tight and it better be hilarious. And it has its moments and the action is solid, but there was just something about the comedy that I didn't feel like landed this for a minute. I think Ben would probably agree. I loved it. No, you didn't. No. I agree with Joe that I totally wanted to see those two people hang out. Yes, exactly. Those are two amazing people to put in a car together. I wish the script was better, for sure. It was fine. It's not super memorable to me.

[00:26:57] I've seen it once and I don't think I'll ever re-watch it again, but I remember being entertained in the moment and then moving on. The reality, though, is it made $200 million off of a $35, $40 million budget. Enough to do a pre-sequel. So it was enough to make a second. A pre-sequel. Yeah, pre-sequel. It's just called the second in the series. I like that. Technically, that would have to take place. Fuck! Off and die. Brad's allowed to say technically. Alex? Yes. What's the last movie you saw, buddy?

[00:27:27] Last night, I watched the 2024 remake of The Crow with Bill Sarsgaard. Fuck yeah. Finally some cinema. It was... I really hope Joe's over here like, I like that movie. Terrible. It was unbelievably bad. So the only... And I say this not knowing how it really is, but my opinion would be, the original was really only famous because Brandon Lee died filming it. Yeah. I kind of feel that way. I agree.

[00:27:56] So who would have just been such a fucking failed movie. I'm glad you put that out there. I'm glad you put that out there because it's not incredible. Nobody would know about The Crow if that didn't happen. Agreed. But it did have a following other than that, though. But it would have... Do you feel like it would have been pretty forgotten about? Sure. It had a following because it's a comic book and there's a bunch of nerds, but it was not a good film. Nate's just disregarding the entire audience. That the original Crow... Could have hoped for spawn level success. It was a spawn level thing that happened to have a tragedy that was surrounded that

[00:28:25] bumped it up a little bit. But there is a hard aesthetic to The Crow. Like in your head right now, you can picture The Crow. Oh, did you want to turn all the lights off in the movie? And then every once in a while, like, oh, Zack Snyder didn't design this, but it feels like it. And like, if you were to come to me and you were to say, we remade The Crow and you can tell because it's bad, just like The Crow. Like, I guess that that's true. But like, this was bad in a way that like, we didn't have to do this.

[00:28:54] And like, we didn't have to do the first Crow either. So why are we doing this one? It's not even so bad. It's good. Oh, man. So like, Bill Sarsgaard is like a combination between Jared Leto's Joker and Pete Davidson. And like... It's old. I'm sorry. None of those words I like right now. It's weird. It's so... No. I mean, all the choices. I love Pete Davidson. No, you shouldn't. Like... No, Pete Davidson's fine. But like... Pete Davidson and The Crow? Sign me up. If Pete Davidson played the titular character... Actually, yeah.

[00:29:23] I would have been there for this. ...the titular character, yeah. No, it's just... It's disjointed. Go kill those men. Okay. It's poorly edited. It's incoherent. Like, none of it makes sense. Like, it starts in the craziest place. It ends in the craziest place. It's like symbolism thrown at the scene for the sake of symbolism. Like, the movie begins with a dying horse. And like, it's just... Go on. It's just a white horse that's dying in a field.

[00:29:52] And like, you see it and you're like, okay, dying white horse. And then like, occasionally through mini flashbacks, whenever crowing is occurring, whenever it's time to crow, we flashback a little bit. Whenever it's time to crow. I think that's a Peter Pan movie. And every once in a while, we'll flashback to the horse. Well, you see it being led to water the whole time, but you never saw it take a drink. And that's the problem. Everybody... No one should watch it. Like, no, it's not even so bad that it's good.

[00:30:20] And I almost want to be able to recommend it because, like, it's so insane. And like, if you have seen The Crow at any moment in time, like, it's pretty straightforward. A weird goth and his girlfriend are murdered by some gangsters. The weird goth comes back to life, kills the gangsters. He might be a superhero. Right? Like, he's undead in a weird way. Thanks for ruining it for me. Well, the original title to that was Revenge. Right. Which I would have watched. Great fucking joke.

[00:30:49] He's so mad that it's a good joke. So, like, maybe if you were, like, hardcore into The Crow, like, you should watch this just to be like, that's what they did. They done to my boy? That's what they did to my boy! You could have redone The Crow. There were so many things you could have. And, like, what they did was... So, like, iconic image of The Crow. Like, describe The Crow. Black wings. Yeah. And, like... Yeah, white paint on the face. The guy. Looks like Sting from the wrestling.

[00:31:18] Like, a trench coat, right? And, like, ominous gothy stuff. Big candy cane. Bill Sarsgaard... Nope. Nope. Missed out. Missed out. Keep going. Bill Sarsgaard spends most of the movie walking around with all of his tattoos, right? In a bright blue members-only jacket that says Goon on the back of it. Upgraded. Well, yeah. This sounds like a nice change of pace to me. It is wild. It is wild. He lives in a mannequin factory, which fits with The Crow. Okay. Well, you're not really turning me off yet. But, like... Oh, it's just...

[00:31:47] You wanted to come up with a reason for me to not watch the movie? It is crazy. Because so far, four for four. I think what's particularly frustrating hearing that it was so bad was that, like, they've been trying to do a Crow remake for, like, over a decade. And it's not hard. Yeah. Revenge. You love revenge movies. I should have been able to look at you and been like, dude, he goes crazy, he comes back to life, and he kills a thousand gangsters. So, it writes itself. It writes itself. Very similarly, for the longest time, there was this thing going around Hollywood where

[00:32:16] they were redoing Death Wish. Charles Bronson from the 70s, 80s, you know, tremendously successful series. And I had heard, by reading, it was the most incredible script anybody had ever read. And when the movie came out, it was such dog shit that I was like, who fucked this up along the way? Because it just became this Bruce Willis piece of shit movie towards the end of his career when it had the opportunity to be epic.

[00:32:42] And so, if the Crow had been trying to be remade for so long, you would think, oh, they finally got it locked in. Nope. They just... Somebody finally failed upwards and just did it. It literally felt like a movie that was written. And then at the end, they're like, no one's going to finance this unless there's an IP attached to it. But, so like, let's attach the Crow to it. It's the Crow! And like, we'll bring him back to life. We'll throw some digital Crows in there. And like, now he's the Crow. And the director's like, listen, as long as we don't lose the horse. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Which, oh, guys.

[00:33:12] I love digital Crows. It's my favorite band. Yep. How many did you, did you take a tally of them? Was it a digital counting Crows or? I like the counting Crows. Where are they? Put that on my list, Nate. Put that on my Mount Rushmore. Digital counting Crows. I like that you used failing upwards because that's, that's like kind of tragic in the movie world. Yeah. Totally though. It's on point. Yeah. Bradford, what's the last movie that you saw, buddy?

[00:33:37] The last movie that I saw was technically Superstar, which we watched for our Saturday Night Live podcast. Well, some of us did. That's, it was a big surprise. And now I don't trust you. I definitely, I got through the 10 to 1 episode and then I told Brad at the end of the night, I didn't actually watch it. I just did a lot of research. And I watched about 20 minutes of YouTube clips like over and over again. Yeah. That's how he watches movies these days anyway. I watched my movie this time though. I watched my movie this time. What'd you watch? Shut up, baby spice.

[00:34:06] The last movie I saw was Superman 3. And. Why? I, so. To be clear, it's really like the Richard Pryor. Correct. Okay. It's been forever since I've seen. Since anybody. Any of the Superman sequels. Since anyone. Oh, have you been watching them all? Yeah. So I rewatched them because. What's it like to have that kind of time? I love it. Like I feel good. I wake up and I'm excited about my life.

[00:34:35] So I have a new podcast. Hold on. Let's get you to take a big old. I love it. So I have a new podcast that I've been doing with some people. Continue. Some people from Slash Film because since Slash Film podcast is only weekly now, we don't have water cooler episodes like we used to with some like general chit chat because the listeners like when the staff would get together and talk about what they'd seen, what they'd been reading, stuff like that. And so we have a new. Ben's mouth in the face.

[00:35:05] You can probably hear it if you turn your volume up real. What are you saying? Fucking age. I'm just whispering in the mic. I fucking hate you. I'm so jealous of your stupid fucking life. Like I have so much and it's not enough because I'm learning. It's just like I don't do anything I want to do anymore. Let's do. Let's just do Freaky Friday. Ben, I think we need to have a talk, man. Yeah. You take it all away. Let's trade for a week. I would. And you know what? And you're like, oh, I wouldn't want to do that because maybe like I burned your business. You're going to do it.

[00:35:35] No, actually what I'll do is I'll just take the money, put it in my account. So when I'm back in my life, I still have Ben's money. It's your life with my money. And now you're very happy. The best of both worlds. I 3D print myself some kick-ass elf armor and I transfer over some funds. By the way, when we switched lives, I gave you all my shit. And now that we've switched back, I've got all my shit that is now mine.

[00:36:05] I want to watch that movie where it's Freaky Friday and one person just shits the bed, takes full advantage. No thought. There's no growth. There's nothing about no redeeming qualities. And one character just fucked over hard. No lessons were learned. I would love it. I love it. But no, so we have a new podcast called Pop Cultured where we just talk about that kind of stuff. What we've seen, what we've been eating, video games we've been playing, all that kind of shit.

[00:36:35] I'm sorry, you talk about what you've been eating? Yeah, it's a whole list that we go through. So you talk about films. Because of my junk food. You talk about the food you're eating. So yeah, and so we're doing some additional episodes. Are you talking about trailers still? That will be... We don't. It seems like a little bit derivative. A little derivative to me, but it's fine. The format is complete. Hey, every once in a while we talk about TV shows, but one of our people really doesn't like it when we talk about TV shows. I mean, we talk about sex. We talk about films.

[00:37:04] That's an original idea that no one's ever come up with. We have a good time. We hang out. How many of these guys are white? Yeah. How many of them are white, Brad? Most. Are you the only non-white member? Yeah. Yeah, actually. You son of a bitch. But we do have a lesbian. So do we. That's a good point. Sorry, Nate. Nate's haircut a lot of times. But no, so as one of the bonus episodes that we're going to have under our Patreon,

[00:37:33] we did a Superman ranking. And so just to refresh myself, I wanted to go back and watch the other one because I hadn't watched them in a while. Do you have more fun with them? No. Be honest. No, no. I will say I had a little bit of a new appreciation for Superman 2 because I realized that so much of its DNA is in Spider-Man 2, the Sam Raimi one with Tobey Maguire. And it just has its heart in the right place. It feels a little cheaper than the first Superman and the action doesn't quite come together. Some of that's because it's not really Richard Donner's movie. It became Richard Lester's movie.

[00:38:03] But I think 2 is better than people remember, even though it's still nowhere near as good. 2 is good. It's good. Wait, can you elaborate on the Sam Raimi Superman 2 thing? Why would you ask that? Sorry. Yes, he can. Two-hour podcast. Here we go. Basically, the long and short of it is just that it's a very earnest movie. And the way it utilizes Superman as a character, because you get the Spider-Man no more storyline in Superman 2.

[00:38:30] The way it utilizes Lex Luthor as a co-villain who assists General Zod in the same way that Harry tells Doc Ock where Peter Parker is. And just the general vibe, because it's an older Superman movie. Sam Raimi really tapped into that earnest gee whiz side of Peter Parker. And especially, I think the one moment that really encapsulates what the attitude of Superman 2 is, is when Peter Parker has that montage where he's doing well in school and everything set to raindrops keep falling in my head. That's the kind of attitude that Superman 2 has. Yeah.

[00:39:00] And some of the story beats are similar, so there's a lot of crossover. It encapsulates. Oh, thanks. But I watched Superman 3 as the last one I watched, because I had seen 4 a lot before just because it's hilariously bad. That's Quest for Peace. Yeah. Yeah. And I watched it when I was a kid. But Superman 3, I didn't really remember much of, and it's just not good. Who's the foil? Richard Waltz. So. The third one. So well done. The meta AI is really working hard over there. So well done. Is it?

[00:39:32] It's like a little alarm when I've been to say, oh, I can use it. What? I was just asking who the foil was. Nuclear man can't put that in the microwave. Yeah. Because it's foil. No, that's the fourth one. That's the fourth one. So the nuclear man. I like the fourth one. Well, of course I do. Nobody likes that. I'm sorry. Alex looks directly at Joe's face and says, no one likes the fourth one. Yeah, you don't. You're wrong.

[00:40:01] As serious as he's ever said in the last podcast. The main villain of Superman 3. I no longer love you. And no one likes the fourth Superman. Joe, whatever this is between us, it's over. It's over. Right now. No one likes the fourth Superman movie. I like the fourth Superman. We're done. I don't know what to say. Your father didn't make it out of surgery. Yeah. And no one likes the fourth Superman movie. So the bad guy in Superman 3 is Robert Vaughn.

[00:40:30] He's basically the Lex Luthor of this one from Bullet and Magnuson 7. Yeah, because Hackman wouldn't come back for 3. Yeah. Well, Hackman was barely back for 2. I don't know if he saw his performance in 2. There are lines actually in ADR that he did not do. And you can really tell. Wait, really? Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, 2's really screwed up. But Richard Pryor is also kind of a villain. He's just trying to help himself because he's having a tough time. And he doesn't really want to hurt Superman. Yeah, it's not about that. And he backs off of it.

[00:40:59] He's just being selfish in the movie. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's just not great. There's a weird thing where Superman gets drunk because he touched some kryptonite. That's not that weird. That turned him into dark Superman. And so then he fights Clark Kent in the junkyard because it's like he's fighting himself. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of inner turmoil there. Yeah, so it's just a real, real weird.

[00:41:20] It's fun because it's like a good example of when business notes started to enter blockbuster filmmaking. Because it's literally like Richard Pryor is hot. We need to do something with Richard Pryor. Richard Pryor is smart enough in that year, what, 84, 86? Let's just say mid-80s. Richard Pryor is smart enough. How much money? Yes. I don't need a script. Because again, kind of like the character, I'm doing this for me.

[00:41:49] If it's a bad movie, I'm going to get this money. He got it. Yeah. Funnily enough, too, and this was kind of going around at the time. You're essentially really right about that because Star Trek IV, they originally wanted to be an Eddie Murphy vehicle because Eddie Murphy was such a huge thing. What? He was going to be the one who is in San Francisco when they're looking for Spock and showing them around. Instead of saving the whales, they were going to save Eddie Murphy. And Eddie Murphy played every character. They're going to save Eddie Murphy and Eddie Murphy and Eddie Murphy. It was the clumps.

[00:42:18] Actually, his character Donkey originated in that. Which is cool because in the new Tom Holland Spider-Man, Nate Bergasi is going to be in it as the villain and he's just playing himself as the villain. Yeah. And they're just like, yep. I don't even really know where your web comes from. You know? She's just like, yeah. I'm pretty dumb. I don't think you want to have a conversation with him. My wife really likes Spider-Man and I'm kind of like, I don't know, babe. And she's like, you're an idiot. And I'm like, you're right. Anyways. So he's like a Spider-Man? Like a man-sized spider? We don't do good Nate Bergasi impersonations.

[00:42:49] I'm not sure anyone can do it. No, nothing here is good. He's hard to impersonate because he's very funny. And we're not. I'm so glad that you said that because I'm like, dude, they think they're doing good. I think I am. I'm happy with mine. You should be. Leave it in. It's not good at all. Yeah. Leave it in. Roll it out. Yep. Rawhide. So yeah, Superman 3. Superman 3. Last movie you watched. Yeah. We love Superman. All right. Nate, what about you? No one likes the fourth one.

[00:43:19] I like the fourth one. Do you really? Yeah, Nate. That was kind of the whole part of the podcast you were not listening to. No, okay. So I was like eight. But after that conversation, you still want to lean into that. Joe keeps a lot of opinions he had when he was eight. All right. I really like it. What's your favorite food? Fruit snacks. Scooby snacks. You like Scooby snacks? What's your favorite drink? Shirley Temple, but only from this restaurant. So I was.

[00:43:50] Before my parents split. Ben, have you ever wanted something so bad? Yes. Sorry. That it was like you would almost do anything to get it. Yes. I watched a film that was given to me by my friend Ben. Got it right this time. It was a film called The King of Comedy by Martin Scorsese. Boys, have you seen this film? Oh, yeah. Of course. But it was like a long time ago. I haven't seen that 1982 film. I haven't seen that movie since I saw Joker.

[00:44:21] Which is the same film. Yeah, De Niro. Yeah. So this is a film starring Bobby De Niro, directed by Martin Scorsese. Robert De Niro plays a comedian who becomes obsessed with trying to get famous, honestly. And in his view, to get famous... He has to do Superman 3. He has to get on TV.

[00:44:47] Like, essentially a late night show host starring Jerry Lee Lewis. Man. Wait, Jerry Lee Lewis? No. Jerry Lewis. Sorry. Jerry Lewis. That's a different person. I was going to wait for a little bit. And I was like... Because I've been kind of fucking up tonight. No. And I don't... I've had a couple drinks. Wait. 82 is this film? Two beers. I'm not good with Jerry Lewis's. What? What's the film? The King of Comedy. The King of Comedy. Martin Scorsese starring Robert De Niro. You kidding me? Early Martin Scorsese. Oh, wow. Not even early.

[00:45:17] I mean, it's pretty early. I mean, Raging Bull's 80. This is just peak. I know. That's what I'm saying. It's like one of his first five films. This is like peak Martin Scorsese. No, this is his first five films, right? Yeah. Peak. I don't know. When you look at Brad like that, it's already... Well, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, and King of Comedy come out, and it's like... Well, you think his most recent films aren't any good? Irishman sucked. Oh, that's not true at all. Are we getting into like a... All right. Brad. Brad. Nate wins this one. Yeah, I want to see a 99-year-old man convincingly pull off a fight.

[00:45:46] Oh, but if Predator shows up, you'll jizzle over the fucking wall. Yeah, I would. Hey, guys, you see Irishman? I had a digitally DH Predator, and it looks so good. Oh, my God. My balls just leaked everywhere. That's what I said. For the record, Ben thinks The Irishman, The Wolf of Wall Street, The Departed, The Aviator, Gangs of New York are all bad films. What? Killers of the Flower Moon. I said that this is peak Scorsese because it is. How are those not peak Scorsese? I didn't say they weren't.

[00:46:16] What? He's just always peaking. What is this? Pause, pause, pause, pause, pause. Look at this. Gangs of New York could be a good film and still not be Scorsese's peak, but I'm kind of confused because he said it's a bad film? I know. He doesn't like anything that's more recent than the 1980s. He's lying. No, you said it's peak, which means it is peak, then it goes down from there. No, no, no. But that doesn't mean it goes down into like steep gradients. Oh, so you're just going to say he just stays up? It could go down like slowly. Well, I do like that.

[00:46:44] I like that, but then there's no peak for Scorsese. All of his films are great, which I think most of us would agree with. That would be a plateau. It's very rare. That would be a plateau. Someone call it a butte. It's the angiology. Just so we're clear. What would you say? Is there a plateau for Scorsese? Is there a three film run that he did not do well on? A three film run? Yeah, because I think it's got to be like more than one. Wait, wait, wait. That he did not do well? Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[00:47:15] That would be a valley. Then you would say it's a dip. Like a dip. What do you know about landforms? What do you know about landforms? How would you describe Scorsese's archipelago? Like if you really were looking at it, where would you really isolate? From 30,000 feet from the airplane. Yeah. Where would you look? If you overark, where would you look? And there's like a bit of tundra over here. And you're like, well, Tarantino's done like a peninsula. And he's got like a little thing. Because maybe Brad, you can say the age of instance isn't great. But Casino's great. Casino's awesome.

[00:47:45] Yeah, so you can't say like. I don't know that he's ever had a three movie dip. What am I saying? Is there a dip? Because he's always going up. There's never been a dip. So if he's always going up, then that's not peak. That's not peak. I didn't say. Scorsese. This is the most insanely stupid conversation we've ever fucking had on this. I'm sorry. Hold on. Let's not say things we can't take back. Like, because 10 minutes ago, we were really on the Crow remake. Yeah, yeah. And having real good salient points about that.

[00:48:13] I don't know that Scorsese's ever had a better three. Like, I don't know, man. It's just a better era. Raging Bulls, The King of Comedy, and After Hours, you think are his three best. Taxi Driver. But Taxi Driver is. I mean, The Last Waltz was just before Raging Bulls. So you got New York, New York between Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy. Yeah, he's never had a three film run. That's what I'm saying. There's a flop. There's been like one where it's like, eh, it's not so good. It's fine. It's never bad, but it's fine.

[00:48:42] So yeah, this is a film. So middling. No, The King. So I think The King of Comedy is better than people think when they talk about Scorsese films. Yeah, I've seen a lot of Scorsese. I think a lot of people have like their Mount Rushmore of Scorsese films, and this would never be even close to it. Would you put it on his top four? I wouldn't put it on his top four, but I would put it close. It's incredible. This movie is incredible. What I loved about this too is there's only 109 minutes, so it wasn't super long, right?

[00:49:11] He's getting a little longer as he's getting a little older. Yeah. But this is a great film. This is actually Robert De Niro also in a film that like, you know, in a role that I don't like, I just didn't expect him in. Yeah. Right? It's very good. Yeah. He's playing a comedian. Again, Jerry Lewis is in this. Another actress that's in this that I never understood.

[00:49:37] I know she's a comedian, but like where she got her kind of like her notoriety from was Sandra Bernhardt. Sandra Bernhardt. Yeah. Popular topic on this show. I've brought her up a lot of times. We do love Sandra Bernhardt. I really have, by the way. Is this really the peak for her, you think? Or like is this the thing that brought her? Let's not get back into peak conversations. Because that was a 10-minute expansion last time. Is this a peak for her? Sandra Bernhardt's never had a three special.

[00:50:06] No, this was, yeah, this was around the time when she was like big. Because she got a couple award nominations for this. And she was good. She was very good. And then she was able to kind of take this and make a name for herself moving forward. I remember from Roseanne. Kind of peak comedy. Yeah. She peaked with her comedy there. Yeah. I mean, the 80s was a big time for stand-up comedy too. Yeah. And again, I wasn't, I was young, so I wasn't listening to a lot of stand-up. So she must have been a pretty big name in that day. Yeah. She was, yeah. But she was great in this.

[00:50:34] So it was interesting because, again, I wasn't sure. She's just one of those people that for most of my life she's been around. But I wasn't sure because she was kind of, I mean, to be maybe a little unfair to her, a little bit middling for a lot of her career that I've known her. She's been in roles but not like. I think that she did a lot with what she was given as far as. But when she was given this role and doing this, I'm like, oh, I get it. Like, she was great in this. She was very talented. She was very talented. So I really enjoyed this film.

[00:51:04] I'm actually, I'm so glad I watched it. I would have never watched this unless it was assigned to me. It's great. No, I really do think it's a great film. Do you think at the end that was a vision? This is a common question. At the end, it was a vision or it was real? Martin Scorsese will not say. I think that it was real. I think it was real. Scorsese seems to suggest it was a vision. It was not real. I like either answer, honestly. And I love. He kind of goes with it. It doesn't matter. Yeah.

[00:51:32] And I love when a movie is open enough that it doesn't matter in either way. It's good. Because Robert De Niro's character, for him, he says his visions are as much reality to him. So it doesn't matter for his character. I choose to think it's real because it makes a better movie. This is also the only movie- I want to believe it's real. Right, right, right. Yeah. This is the only movie I think where I think that Robert De Niro is physically attractive. I don't know why. Oh, that's interesting. I really don't. Someone didn't see Rocky and Bullwinkle.

[00:52:02] I take it back. This is one of two movies. Somebody didn't see The Irishman. Oh, sorry. But yeah, and I don't even know what it is, but I do. He's maybe a little physically attractive in Cape Fear. That's true. In a scary way. That's something we don't need to break down right now, Alex, but you should talk to somebody about that. Alex likes the bad boys. I like Robert De Niro, Cape Fear. No one likes the fourth one.

[00:52:30] I like Mark Wahlberg on that roller coaster. Nate, did this movie make you hate Joker? Did you already hate Joker? Yeah, Jordan. I was never as big of a joke. Joker fan as you are. Oh, I didn't mean the movie, right? Not the movie. Just the philosophy behind the fans. This is a better film than Joker. Yes, and it's by far the easiest thing in the world to see what happened there. They just tried to take the king of comedy and modernize it a bit. That's all they did. Well, the king of comedy and taxi driver. Yeah, just fucking bullshit is what the Joker was about.

[00:53:00] And they portrayed Batman a lot better in the king of comedy. That's good, Alex. That's really good. That's a good point. All right. Ben, what is the last movie you saw? The Banshees of Innishirin. Oh, finally. I love this film so much. I thought you were mad at me. I didn't assign this to you. Oh, I thought Nate was mad at me. Did you not like this? No, it's just so sad. It's just utterly...

[00:53:30] This is my way of preparing for you that I'm doing this for you. It's a miserable movie. This is so good. There's such good sadness to this film, but also humor. So Ashley saw me watching this and... Crying. And I just was like, that movie was so fucking miserable and sad. She's like, then why did you laugh so many times? Because it is. It's so funny. It's the definition of a black, dark comedy. I mean, it is horribly dark. The film is from 2022. It's set in 1920s Civil War Ireland.

[00:54:00] They live on an island, not on the main... So they're cut off from the Civil War. And it's just about... Colin Farrell plays kind of a dumb guy, but not stupid stupid. He doesn't say stupid shit. He just is boring. And he wants to talk small talk about things that really don't matter. And Brendan Gleeson plays a guy who is a musician and has more to offer to the world, he thinks. And he doesn't want to talk to this guy anymore. And they've been best friends for a long time. And he just stops one day and he goes, I don't like you anymore.

[00:54:29] But because they live in such a small town and such a small business, everybody knows their business. And it's... Why aren't you talking to them? Even the priest. You know, Colin Farrell's sister. Everybody's like, what are you doing? It's mean. You can't just not talk to a guy. And he's like, I don't have anything to say to him. I don't want to do this anymore. But in such a thick Irish accent, it makes us... I don't want to turn this into his head. I have nothing to say to him. Oh, I shouldn't think of him. I shouldn't think of his head. Fuck. Feck. Feck. Yeah. Feck. Feck.

[00:54:59] The word feck. It might not break a record for the number of times the word fuck is said. But it's definitely feck has been said no more in any other film. Yeah, feckin' feck. Don't feckin' tell me how to feckin' live my feckin' life. Well, I'm glad that you enjoyed this because this is about to become your real life. You'll cut your hand off? You're still not gonna talk to him anymore. We have the pastor. None of this has been recording. We've just been building up to this point. This is your intervention.

[00:55:28] If you don't stop talking to me, I'm gonna cut my hand off. I see your feckin' life. I see your feckin' life. I want you to start feckin' talking to me. So, very early in the film, obviously, Brennan Glees' character tells him, I don't want to talk to you anymore. They end up talking a lot throughout the film because Colin Farrell's character just doesn't get it. And he wants to keep talking to me. Why don't you want to talk to me? Yeah, what have I done? Nothing. I just want to leave. But isn't he so sad, though? It's so sad. Because he's so dumb and he doesn't get it. But again, he's not so...

[00:55:58] No, it is kind of terrible. It is because Colin Farrell is just the nicest guy in the world and he turns into not a nice guy throughout the course of the film because... Colin Farrell does? Yes, Colin Farrell's character is the nicest, just kind of dopiest, dullest guy. But then he starts kind of lashing out because he won't reciprocate. And so he starts to be... So then the real dumbest guy in town played by... Who's that guy? Oh, Barry Keoghan. Yeah. He's so good. He's so fucking good in this. He's got a complicated past with his dad, but the... Okay. Oh, no, it's bad.

[00:56:28] Ben just always mentions that. I'm like, Ferris, you're going to stay off. He's got a pretty complicated relationship with his dad. Cameron, him too. It's funny that you say that because my relationship with my dad was a lot like Ferris and his dad. I just loved him. Just loved him. Yeah. Called him pal. Oh, hey, buddy. Yeah, let him stay home when he was sick. Anyway. Must have been... Not like Cameron. Hey, must have been fecking nice. So anyway, early on the film, though, it's probably 20 minutes in and Colin Farrell's character

[00:56:57] has been told he doesn't want to talk to him anymore. So he's walking home and a new character is introduced and it's a cop. And the cop walks right by him and Colin Farrell says something like, good morning. And he doesn't talk to him. And I go, oh, is this catching on? Like everybody's going to stop talking to him. But then Colin mutters to himself, he never fucking says good morning. So it's a catch. I'm like, oh, he got... Like Michael McDon, who's the director? Yeah, Michael McDon. He got... I was like, he got me. Yeah. Like I felt for like maybe all of the people in the town are going to stop talking to him. But no, it wasn't that.

[00:57:26] It's just there's a lot of clever things like that that kind of push you and pull you. But yeah, it's a very dark movie. It's a very sad movie. Very melancholy. And yet I found myself laughing out loud five or six times where I was like, oh, God, that's really funny. One of my favorite screenplays of maybe my whole life. It's so good. It's so good. I haven't talked about the sister subplot or her... You had a donkey. And the donkey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to be patient in this film though because it is a little bit of a different feel. Oh, it's just a slow burn for sure.

[00:57:53] But you talk about how Colin Farrell turns into kind of a bad person. And it's legitimately because of this one... It's a choice. It's a good... Yeah. So you're right, Alex. It's just a good reminder of that your choices can do so much good or bad. And they ripple with other people. You're exactly right. He was turned bad. Yeah. By a choice that someone else made. And true. Ultimately, it's your responsibility as a person. But when you have somebody who... And again, I want to be very clear.

[00:58:22] He's not dim as like, you know... Right. He's not like... He's not like Dewey in the screen. It's not... Yeah. Because if he was special needs, fuck him. Yeah. No, then you're on your own. Why would anyone be his friend at that point? That's not where we were rolling, Brad. That's not where we were rolling. That's not where we were rolling. You fucking know it. Fuck you. So... But no, they don't paint him as a really, really dumb person. He just is slightly boring. Yeah. And he doesn't really have a lot to talk about. And he wants to have the same conversations he's always had. And his friend has just outgrown it, right?

[00:58:51] He always talks about how he wants to make music that lives on beyond him. And that conversations and everybody, even though you're nice, nobody will remember you. But people will remember the music from 200 years ago. So I want to make that now. I don't want to be with you anymore. Wow. And it is a male breakup. Yeah. And it's hard to watch. But again, it's punctuated so well with these very clever peaks and valleys, right? We just talked about this. Like, the peak of, oh, is that relief going to come with comedy? And it does. And you're like, okay, I can take another 15 minutes. It's a horrible movie. Because that's what it is.

[00:59:20] And nobody's really wrong. Yeah. And nobody's really right throughout the whole thing. It's a very complicated part of the script. You're allowed to tell somebody that, like, hey, dude, this was great. But, like, we're growing apart. I'm moving on, man. I'm making music for forever now. This is a movie about boundaries is what you're telling me. Like, a little bit. It is. Yeah. I think one of my favorite things about it, actually, is despite the fact that it takes back time during Irish Civil War and stuff like that, I think it resonates really hard today, especially in an age where there's so much toxic masculinity.

[00:59:50] Oh, yeah. And, like, incels who, like, you know, are cut off because of, like, terrible relationships they've had or that's because of friends or something. Like, they've been shunned because, you know, maybe they suck too and they don't realize it. There's just a really interesting parallel, despite being this movie being set so far in the past, like, tying to modern, like, male friendship and stuff. If I'm being any sort of, if I'm trying to be intelligent about this film at all, I think the backdrop of the Civil War and then the juxtapose with the two characters kind of

[01:00:20] semantically disagreeing about what is going to last and what isn't going to last, the backdrop of the Civil War being, like, that's actually really important. You know, that's really happening in our real lives. We should care about that. And yet, neither one of the characters care at all. They make maybe a little small talk about it, but there's a civil war going on and it's like, I want to make music that lasts and I just want to talk about my donkey and what he shit it and how he ate today. They're both wrong because there are much more important things to talk about.

[01:00:48] But even Brendan Gleeson's character who wants maybe more, he wants it for the wrong reason. He doesn't even know why he wants to make lasting music. He just wants to do it. But didn't you feel so bad for him, though? Yes. I feel bad for the both of them. Yeah. I feel bad for the both of them. That's the thing. It's such a great screenplay is that you really do at the end of the day, you're like, boy, did you guys make your own messes? And then also, all humanity is making your own mess. Gosh, could you have not done anything different? Of course you couldn't have. It is one of those films where you describe to people, like, I don't want to watch it.

[01:01:17] And then you watch it and you're right, Alex. It opens up this whole world about the state of humanity. Yeah. You pushed back, like, not wanting to watch it for so long, even though everyone was saying it was good. I knew it was going to be good, but I was like one of those, like, do I want to be sad today? And men really don't want to watch movies about, like, friendships failing because I really think it's, like, what we're most terrified about. Like, I really do. So, like, that concept alone is, like, super, like, off-putting in general in, like, a lot of concepts.

[01:01:46] Like, dude, the buddy cops always stay together. Yep. Their wives might leave them. Their bad guys are going to capture them. But the buddy cops always stay together. And, like, any time, like, friendship. There's a reason it was bad boys for life. Right. Exactly. And, like, any time that that is threatened, like, it really does mess with dudes. No. And one of the things I love about this film, too, Alex, is it does allow the sadness of the male characters? Yeah. Right?

[01:02:15] Where it's, like, they're sad. They're genuinely sad. And, like, it's, like, there's a scene that he's just, like, well, I don't understand. And you just, like, your heart breaks for it. He really doesn't get it. Yeah. He just is struggling to comprehend in what world. Because it doesn't make sense. It's what have I done. It's a what have I done. What have I done to lose your affection? Because they use row, the word row. Are you in a row? Yeah. Are you having a row? Are you having a row? Yeah. I don't think we were having a row. No. Well, we might be in a row. I don't know if we were.

[01:02:44] And it's like, he's, like, second guessing. Are we fighting? Like, I have no idea. And I don't think I've done anything to piss him off. And then the character wants to be, like, if I've done something, I'm supposed to, you know, and it's not that. And he hasn't. I just don't want to be with you anymore. It's so good. Everyone should watch it. Go watch it. We don't need to be a dead horse. The Banshees of Innishirin. I'll text it to you. Yeah. Thank you. I'll watch it. Is it trailer time? Yeah. If you do the song. It all depends. No, no. We're over that. I'm not allowed to do that anymore. I was trying to help.

[01:03:15] Oh, yeah. What do you got, Joe? Trail. Nothing more than trailers. Watching movies with our friends. What the fuck? It's memories. He's trying to do memories. I got it. What? I feel really creepy. I can hear the melody when it comes from Joe. When you do the melody, it's like watching someone smash a piano with a gorilla. Trailers. Nothing more than trailers. I love it. It's beautiful. Was that in our memories?

[01:03:43] No, but when you sing, there is literally no melody. Yeah, when you do it, you heard his, so you knew what to do. When you guess what you think a song sounds like. Trailers on a vacation far away. That's your favorite song. I know. You always go back to that one. I love that one. I woke up watching. Do an Elton John song. Do you know an Elton John song? I'm a trailer man burning through the cinema in the sky.

[01:04:13] All right. Good. That's all we need. Nailed it. It's about all you're going to get, buddy. Well, 100%. Got it. Nailed it. Wow. Crushed it. Can't tell if you're joking or not. Crushed it. It's perfect, my friend. Fuck all of you. Look out, you and McGregor, because Ben's going to remake Moulin Rouge with that killer pipe. Yeah, you have a killer pipe. Yeah. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Yeah. Let's talk about some trailers.

[01:04:43] Wow. Trailers in the movies. The first trailer we watched is about a very iconic figure in pop culture, and his name is the cat in the hat. And this is a new animated movie from Warner Brothers Animation. Not Illumination. Not Pixar. Not DreamWorks. And so I'm interested in this, because honestly, I thought this trailer looked a little better than I was anticipating. The animation style is interesting.

[01:05:13] I do think that there's a bit more clever comedy than we're used to seeing in movies like this, especially previous animated Dr. Seuss adaptations. The fact that Bill Hader and Bowen Yang and the rest of the impressive comedic cast is involved, and it doesn't seem like they're just there just for the paycheck. I'm interested in this. So where are you guys at? I'll let the experts chime in. Alex, what did you think? I like the animation.

[01:05:42] I think it looks pretty. Okay. I don't like that the cat in the hat works for a corporation and is involved in Monsters, Inc. level shenanigans in some sort of form. The final fart joke was good. Toot fart. Toot fart. That was so funny. Toot fart was the best thing we watched for the podcast today. Okay. Without a doubt. Are you in agreement with all this, Joe? Toot fart 100%. I'm a down thumb on this particular trailer. I'm with you, Joe. Thank you.

[01:06:12] Cat in the Hat has been done as a show. I don't know if you know this. I have children. This is a movie. I'm aware. It was also a decent movie. Look, look. A what? It was like a Dr. Seuss. Oh, I thought you said Disney. No, whatever. There was a Dr. Seuss-like cartoon back in the day, and then there's live action back in the day, but there's also like a cartoon of Cat in the Hat. And this feels like they tried to do the cartoon of the Cat in the Hat better.

[01:06:44] I don't know. Sounds good to me. I like it. Okay, great. Good for you. I respect the voice actors that have signed up. Thank you. I do. I do. Yes. I like the animation style as well. It looks good. It looks really pretty. And it's a trailer and whatever. You know, who knows? With the animation, when they do a trailer, it's like, are they shoehorning every joke that they have? Or is this just what's to come? There's so many jokes. So I don't know. You never can tell. Excellent point. Maybe toot fart is the only joke. The only good joke of the whole thing.

[01:07:13] This just also seems like they're trying to set up a franchise or trying to really- Well, they're always trying to set up a franchise. I know. I know. But that's what I'm saying. It just seems a little try-hard to me. It seems try-hard to me. But yeah, it's funny you say that. And I'm not shitting on you. But you're the one that says, you know, you can make a good movie without having to have an ulterior motive. Just make the movie. So now you're defending the- Well, you got to give them some slack because they're trying to world- Oh, no, no. I'm not giving them slack. I think what you're referencing is more so I'm talking about concentrating on making an original good movie first.

[01:07:43] And I think that, to me, that's what this looks like. I didn't see anything in here that felt like it was overt franchise creation other than they're trying to reestablish Warner Brothers animation- Oh, yeah! Warner Brothers animation approach to Dr. Seuss since there have been so many other adaptations that came before it, whether it's the Lorax, the Grinch, Horton Hears a Who, that this is something different and it's a different kind of universe to play in.

[01:08:09] So, yes, while I do agree that there is an element that could feel like it's setting up a franchise, I don't mind that they have to reinvent the world of Dr. Seuss a little bit in order to establish what they're doing this time. They've already announced a Thing 1 and Thing 2 film that they're making. Sure. So it's like, it just seems very- But Pixar, but that's an animation thing. They have to announce those movies three or four years out because it takes that long to make it. Shut up, Brad. Oh, sorry. I want to say two things. I'd like to hear from Nate, please. That's really all I had to say.

[01:08:38] But again, thank you, Joe. Please tell Brad to shut up. Brad to shut up anytime. I want to say two things. First- Shut up, Alex. Thank you. Unless you're agreeing with me. Keep going. First, I think that there were some Looney Tunes vibes to this trailer. Yes, true. Specifically when he was going through the box and the box had all the different notes on it that had a very Bugs Bunny kind of feel to it. Yeah.

[01:09:03] And with the Warner Brothers tag, I would be- I'm not opposed to this. Like, this wasn't a super thrilling trailer. No, but that's a good call, though. But like, I could at least see where they were going with it. And I don't remember what my second point was. That's a good point, though. That was enough. My favorite- Like, the Looney Tunes vibe, I think, was enough for me to be like, okay. Are you excited because they've announced that they're building the SUSiverse? Oh, and now remember what my second point was. Thank you. You're welcome, Alex.

[01:09:30] My second point is that in 2025, we all have to stop being upset when people are trying to create cinematic universes. Shut up. Okay? Like, no, it's okay that Warner Brothers would like to be able to make six movies that make money with Dr. Seuss properties. Like, it is- Like, I don't- Like, this movie should be good and it should stand on its own. And if it also builds a larger universe where the green egg can hammer a character in the next film- No, I agree with that. That's fine.

[01:09:59] But I- But I also don't think it's fair anymore, as consumers, for us to get riled up at the idea that Warner Brothers would really like to create a SUSiverse and have a SUSiverse- No, it's- With a SUSiverse thing. But are you creating a film for the SUSiverse? And we're instantly going to judge them for it. No, but that's the thing. It's not really about the idea of creating the universe, because, like, sure, that's what every studio wants. They want a franchise that they can milk and they can make new movies. Right, that's what I'm saying.

[01:10:26] But my problem, and I think a lot of people's problem comes these days, largely in the shadow of the Marvel Cinematic Universe- At the expense of. At the expense of, and it's always blatant to, like, shoehorn it in there to be like, Hey, guys, we got a bunch more movies if you like this one. So, like, there's a way to introduce and tease it without being overt and just obvious about I honestly don't think that there is anymore. I think that what they did- But that's lazy to me, then. I think what they did with the MCU was a one-time thing that can never happen again.

[01:10:54] And you might as well just telegraphic to me. Like, hey, there's going to be a Thing movie in two years. If you liked this shit, there's going to be some more shit to eat in two years. I see both sides. I think these days it's possible to do what they did with the MCU when you make a movie that you take a risk on because Iron Man was an enormous risk back then. Seems like a no-brainer now, right? But it was an enormous risk with an untested director and a star in recovery still. Was it Jon Favreau?

[01:11:23] Jon Favreau was not a household name at all. Man, that's incredible. Not even a little bit. No, he had a huge risk. It was a terrible success after Zathura. Yeah, and no one wanted Robert Downey Jr. Nobody wanted him. I still think that it's possible to do the MCU these days. They took a huge risk on Robert Downey Jr. They took a huge risk on Jon Favreau. They made Iron Man. It was a big success. But the MCU, because they didn't know how to shoehorn shit in then, because they just didn't know that you could do that. So then they had Thor, Captain America.

[01:11:52] They just let these things do it. They very subtly had Hawkeye in Thor in the Crow's Nest, but it was not shoehorned in at all. You just thought that's a character. They were able to put people in movies that you would know later. Oh, shit. That was the guy from this. But it didn't ever feel shoehorned. You're allowed to do that these days. Just nobody's taking the time for the slow burn anymore. You technically do it. Well, yeah, but- Make a really good movie and then do it again and again without shoehorning shit in. You can do it. They're not gonna. Because they don't have to anymore. Because to your point, people are looking for it. And they think it's okay.

[01:12:22] DC shit the bed horribly by trying to just shoehorn Justice League down our throats immediately where the Avengers happened in 2012 was four full fucking years after Iron Man. Like, you let that gestate for four years. I would like to know how quickly they tried to assemble the DC shit and throw it down our throats. It was not- Immediately. Right? So that just- It didn't feel earned. Right. And so when there's more of a slow burn- And again, you can- Studios would listen.

[01:12:48] Maybe if we had some sort of studio system that didn't, much like politics, reward the simple action that gets us success now. But if I'm not in the studio ahead in 10 years, the studio's actually gonna be much better off. But fuck that. I need to get my bonus now. Right. And I need to put a Looney Tunes in Will Forte's movie. Ah, I didn't do that, so fuck it. Put it on the shelf. Even though it's a great movie, which happened. Right? These are so short-sighted people that are running studios, you need an immediate response now. And that's why you're not gonna see the new MCU. You're just not.

[01:13:18] Because everybody wants results fucking now. Yeah. That's true. So what you're saying is we need to change the compensation structure of the studios- The old economist getting in here. Sorry. In order to get better films. Franchises, at least. I would argue that it's the entire compensation structure for corporations in general. You should- Yeah. The quality of the product that comes out and how you treat your employees should be dependent on how much you get paid, yes.

[01:13:48] The Rotten Tomatoes score should be tied to your salary. I love that. The best defense I have for Rotten Tomatoes as a unit of measure is the critical score means that's your bonus for the year. Sorry, you would have gotten a bonus this year, but you made Madam Web. I mean, there is a little bit of truth to what- Well, it wasn't my fault. Sorry about you. The studio said, I only want Dakota Johnson for this. I mean, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon's studio is a little bit like that.

[01:14:15] Everyone gets kind of a minimal salary and then they all share the- Not doing a bit here. How successful have the movies that it made so far have been? Have they been- I don't know much about it. It's a pretty successful movie. Yeah, I mean, they did air. What are the ones that they did? I'll look at that. Have they done much without them in it? Because I would posit that that's a pretty- Well, no, because- Well, we had Ben Affleck and Matt Damon did pretty well. Well, no, because they're- I mean, it's their company. I know, I know. So they're making movies that either they want to direct or star in. Sure, sure, sure, sure.

[01:14:44] No, and again, I don't begrudge them whatsoever. I think it's an amazing studio system where you're like, oh, hey, the grip on the set gets a lot more money than you normally would make. You know, one of the most recent films they did was? How much passion do you think they've got for that? The Accounting 2 was under their studio. Yeah. The Accounting 2 was under their studio. I loved The Accounting 2. Yeah, we know, Joe. Hey, listen, I am still excited. Joe, I haven't seen it yet still because I'm a piece of shit, but I'm so excited to see it. I really am. Good. You should be. Speaking of which, Ben still hasn't watched Sinners, so we'll get there. You need to do that. I told you that I watched the Banjo Minish here.

[01:15:14] I'm letting the readers know because you didn't watch your assignment from the last. I know. I already said this in the podcast. I get it. No, I already said it. I already said it. I'm reminding them. No one's judging. The second trailer we watched. Yeah, we had a really good conversation about the first trailer, so let's go. Second trailer was Springsteen, Man from Nowhere, whatever. I don't care. I don't care. Yeah, less of a shit. I don't care. Any less. I love Bruce Springsteen. Of course. Oh, fuck you, Midwest pastor. I love a good Bruce. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[01:15:43] Everybody chill out. Again, can't all talk at once. I love Bruce. That's what you think. Bruce. The reaction I immediately had after watching the trailer with Joe and Alex was I said, this feels a lot like, oh, Dewey Cox has to think about his whole life before he goes on stage. You also don't, like, you notably not like Jeremy Ellen White, right? That's not even remotely true. You don't like Jeremy Strong either, though. Oh, my gosh.

[01:16:13] Or you hate... It's just Jeremy. You hate Paul Walter Hauser. Of course. Who's playing Courtney Cox? That's all I want to know. It's a Bruce Springsteen music video reference. Hey, for somebody who doesn't do a lot of music puns, Courtney Cox is in the Bruce Springsteen music video for the song that's... All of them? She's in all of them? Yeah. Are we not tired of boomers telling us how important their music was?

[01:16:42] I mean, Jesus Christ. Listen, I'm sure Bob Dylan means something. With the Bruce Springsteen ever at all. As a Bruce Springsteen fan. He means nothing to me. Bob Dylan means nothing to me. Yeah, nothing. Like, even less than nothing. If I hear a Bob Dylan song, I turn it off. This is over Springsteen. No, no, I know. I'm just talking about boomer music. He's saying anybody, right? If you play me a Bob Dylan song, I'm going to fucking turn it off and make fun of you. Because that shit doesn't matter, and it didn't even matter back then. Oh, my God. Yes, it does. No, no. Hold on. But also... Fuck all of this. Hold on. Wow.

[01:17:13] That's trash. From the sunrise to the sunset, it can all go to hell. It's god-awful. So here's the thing. I don't think Bob Dylan is a great vocalist. I think he did... It sucks. But I think he did some important things with electric music. No, Bob Dylan is a fantastic songwriter. Hold on. Changing folk music. Shut up, Brad. What is that? I'm on your side, you dumb fuck. Great songwriter. Congratulations. But you're not being forceful enough. I do think...

[01:17:42] Hold on. Brad goes, I'm on your side, you dumb fuck. And he goes, I don't think you're being a fan enough. I think you need to be a little bit more hardcore. I'm not sure what wording you would like him to use. Because he's like, I'm going to use... He's trying to be all nuanced. I think Bob Dylan has some... I think Bob Dylan has some... Like with electrical guitar. Everybody is saying that Bob Dylan says... It's like, no, Bob Dylan is one of the greatest American songwriters. Anybody that doesn't agree is dumb. You're right, Nate. What's his best song? What? What's his best song? The whole catalog is good. What are you talking about? No, what's his best one? Name his best song.

[01:18:12] I mean, the times that they are changing. No, no, no. Everybody stop. Time to change it. Yeah, that would be literally his best song. Yeah. Okay. Which stanza of the times they are changing affects you the most? Oh, yeah. Pressing on is my favorite song of his. No, no. That's not what I asked. No, wait, wait. Which stanza... I know which... I'm sorry. Which stanza of that Smashing Pumpkin song you really like is the best one of all time? The embers never fade in the city by the lake. The place where I was born. Nate, your turn. I actually truly... Which stanza really affects you? Which one really gets you?

[01:18:42] This is turning into name three songs, you poser. That's what this is turning into. No, it's really not. Name three songs. It's way more important than that. Because he's the greatest American songwriter. He's the greatest American songwriter. That's not what I asked about. Not what I asked about. Wait. What stanza in the song that you named is the song you care about. You need to stop talking for just a moment. No, this is not even making a good point. Okay. So, I will say I am a fan of Bruce Springsteen. But, but, but, but. I don't like films being made about people that are not dead yet.

[01:19:12] Okay. I like that stance too. And so, I feel like... Make a film about Bruce Springsteen. That's fine. When he's dead. Right? I just don't feel like it's the time to make a film about Bruce Springsteen. I like Bruce Springsteen. I think he writes some really great songs. I think he does really good work for blue collar Americans. These kind of things. Eh. My... So, yeah. I just... And I'm a fan of Bruce Springsteen. Eh. Yeah. So, here's the thing. I...

[01:19:39] Even though I was giving a bit of a defense of Bob Dylan, he's not one of my favorite artists by any means. I don't love him. I don't... But you do recognize his role. Yeah. Not quite to the level that you think. But like, yeah. But... Oh, man. I really... I love it. But I thought A Complete Unknown was really good. Yeah. Ben hated it. It hit some... Hated it. It hit some of the cliche... Never saw it. ...hallmarks of... I love typical biopics.

[01:20:04] But what I appreciated about it was that it didn't do a cradle to grave story, even though obviously Bob Dylan's still alive. But it didn't try to encompass his whole life. It encompassed this very specific section of his career. And I think too many biopics try to encapsulate everything... Yes. Everything about a musician in a two-hour movie. And that's exhausting. Especially because it's always the same thing. Oh, they don't get how brilliant he is. Oh, but this record company's going to take a chance on him. Oh, and look out.

[01:20:34] He's a big hit. And man, look at all the influence he had and all the waves he made. But they got too big for his britches. Here's the downfall. For drugs and hitting women and jumping off bridges. I feel like Walk the Line took Johnny and June's story and they just said, let's just focus on that. Yeah, and the thing is, Walk the Line does follow that formula. Would you say that it walks the line? Oh, boy. Legitimately? Yes. Because it's the best to do it. And that's the standard for cliche now.

[01:21:03] To the point that Walk Hard used it as the backbone of the parody. And I'm a huge Johnny Cash fan. And there's a thousand other stories they could have told about Johnny Cash. They included one of the most fascinating ones, his love of June Carter. Right? Yeah. And so... But so Springsteen, from the trailer anyway, I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't know for sure. Maybe I could end up in the same way that Bob Dylan won. It'll be a good film because the people in it are good. I tell you, the one thing that I hated in this trailer is that voiceover from Jeremy Strong.

[01:21:33] Well, Bruce Springsteen didn't have a proper floor. I agree. There was a whole... And he's trying to fix that whole... That was terrible writing. And he's trying to fix the... Oh, just tell me the fucking metaphor for the whole goddamn movie. Yeah. No. And also, Bruce Springsteen sucks. So... Springsteen's great. Have you heard that one song that he did? Yeah, the one they played in there? Yeah. The tramps, they were born to run. What about Scott Cooper? Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Wait, wait. I got one. Okay. I was watching some trailers. It was Elvis.

[01:22:03] No, I... It was Elvis. I do like Scott Cooper. Crazy Heart is really good. Crazy Heart was pretty good. Out of the Furnace is also pretty good. Antlers? Did you like Antlers? I haven't seen Antlers. I haven't seen Antlers. Antlers gets a lot of... People like Antlers. Out of the Furnace is okay. I said it's pretty good. It's not. It's just okay. It's so heavy-handed. Well, yeah. No one likes the fourth one. I don't disagree, but that's why I think it's only pretty good. Shut up. What about the pale blue eye? I haven't seen that one either. That got some good ratings, but I didn't see it either. But, yeah. So, Springsteen...

[01:22:34] And this is a biopic about his... Biopic. Biopic. Motherfucker. It's biopic. It's biopic. But go ahead. Sorry. This is a biopic about the album that turned him into America's song master. Shut up. You're dumb. Wow. I like Joe when he drinks. Jeremy Allen White, though, does do his own singing in this movie. Which I always love in a good biopic. Shut up. No, and I do think that will ultimately be impressive, because that's one thing that

[01:23:02] Rami Malek didn't do in Bohemian Rhapsody. But he still won all the awards, so how's that happen? Well, it's because the state... Because Queen is awesome. Yeah, that's true. And the Academy's dumb, so... Okay. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Right? Yeah. So we don't want to tell... Or a focused story. Or a focused... Yeah, right.

[01:23:31] So we want to tell a good story, which could be a focused or non-focused, but it's a good story. That's the point, right? I think the point is it is very hard to capture an entire life in two hours. Yes. So you really need to focus on an era or a game-changing moment. Exactly. Or a storyline as in the romance, right? You've got to focus on something. You can just do it all.

[01:23:57] On that note, I wasn't super thrilled with the trailer. It was fine. I'll probably see it. But I'll tell you what. They hit that note for you because they clearly made it obvious that they were focusing on an album, a particular album. This album apparently had some... Well, 1982's album, Nebraska, is what they're talking about. In that one part, anyway. No, this film is about the making of Nebraska. This is a very clearly... Only that?

[01:24:27] Yeah. Yeah. It's very pointed. It's not whole Bruce Springsteen's life. So it's focusing only on that. Right? It's like an event. So you're going to love it, Brad. So I have a feeling... According to Wikipedia, anyway. Well, I'll like... Is Born to Run on that album? It's got to be because they freaking say it at the end. No, but it doesn't mean that they're not going to talk a little bit about some of other things. But again, though... They're not just talking about it. It's clearly a big scene. They say it at the end of the album. Okay, stop, though. Because, again, Walk the Line is about June Carter and Johnny, but they still talk about Johnny's upbringing.

[01:24:56] The difference is that movie came out 15 fucking years ago, and we've had a bunch of movies just like it's in. Yeah, but this is based on a book about the formation of the album Nebraska. That's fine, but my question still stands. Does that mean they're not going to cover anything else at all in the movie? But it's a trailer, so we don't know. Right. I know. That's why it's a question, though. And the hole in the floor. What the fuck is that? Am I going to have to hear Born in the USA when I go see this movie, or am I not going to have to hear Born in the USA?

[01:25:25] Am I going to have to hear Born in the USA sitting next to a guy? Well, then maybe I'll go. By the way, Born in the USA is a great protest song. No, I was saying. Yeah, we all know that. No, no. We've known it for a long time. Based on what I saw at the parade. I'm not going to walk down the path of idiots who don't know that. You're right. I think most people don't know that. I think that if you were to poll most people, they'd be like, don't be proud to be American. That's fine. I don't hang out with most people. They're not here. They're not with me. It's not an immigrant song.

[01:25:55] They don't like Springsteen. I'm with Alex. I don't know what you're talking about. We're all aware that Born in the USA is a great protest song. And if you don't know that, you probably are an idiot. I'm an idiot. We know who you voted for, Joe. Well, thanks for inviting Alex and Joe, Rad. No one likes the fourth one. Fantastic. One of the points I wanted to make was Walk the Line did its job so that Walk Hard could do its job, right? Yeah.

[01:26:23] And so I don't know that there are too many other married films like that because Airport 76 was the impetus for Airplane. But Airport 76 wasn't this world-renowned, amazing Oscar winner, right? I mean, it sparked a franchise, though. No, no, it did. But it was very popular. Yeah. But it wasn't like Walk the Line, we're talking about as the best one to do it. Yeah. And then Walk Hard became a parody of that, parodying the best one.

[01:26:48] And it is probably, other than maybe Popstar, in my opinion, one of the best parodies of its ilk. So are there other parody movies that, like Scary Movie obviously is an amalgamation to Scream, and the original Scream's very good. Yeah. I wonder how many direct parodies come from a really, really good movie or just an amalgamation of like a lot of different movies. I mean, Young Frankenstein is probably one of the better examples of that because it's

[01:27:17] a love letter to Universal Monster movies, but it also perfectly parodies them. So thank you. That's an incredible point because it is a love letter. It is not making, it's not punching down to the filmmakers that made Frankenstein movies. It is saying, I love this so much. Look at what I'm doing here and elevating it to comedy, and my hope is that you like what I'm doing. Yeah. Right? Wow. And Walk Hard, I think, did that. Wow. I don't think it punched down at all to like what came up before. Well, I don't think it- No, no. Hold on.

[01:27:46] It punched down on the films that tried to be Walk the Line but weren't. But I don't think it punched down on Walk the Line. No, no. I would agree with that because it's, Walk the Hard is most large- Walk the Hard? Yeah. Walk the Hard. Walk Hard. Sometimes Ashley will be like, do you want to walk the hard or can I just go to bed? Walk Hard is- Gross. Gross. Walk Hard is mostly inspired by both Walk the Line and Ray. And after Ray, like- Was that the sequel?

[01:28:16] Yep. Ray and after Ray? After Ray. The biopics that came after that, they just like, the formula was clear. And that's what Walk Hard was trying to like point out. It's like every movie you see about musicians like this is- Right, right, right. Is the same. But yeah, it doesn't take anything away from Walk the Line because obviously Walk the Line did it first and there wouldn't be anything to parody if that wasn't there. You know they made an X-rated version of the movie Ray? What's it called, Ben? Ray Ban. Well done.

[01:28:45] Well, this has been an episode of Go Flix Yourself. Thank you so much for having me. Joe Mazur was here. Alex Pappas was here. Good job. They were sober. Brad, where can the people find you? Can I ask real quick, because I do want- This is going to sound like it's a bit, but it's not. Legit clarification as to, did you go A to C with that joke? Like Ray Ban? Yeah. Because I thought you were going to say X-ray. I mean, either one works. Honestly. X-ray-

[01:29:14] There's some workshopping that needs to be done, but it's fine. I was in my brain in the .2 seconds I thought about it. I didn't think about it. I just said Ray Ban would be- A couple drinks in. I'm sorry, Brad. Because Ray Bans are sunglasses. No, no. He wears sunglasses. No, no. I get it. It's still- Extra specs would have been- But Ray Bans are like that. It seems cleaner. No, no. It's just like, why do you get judgy an hour and three, four minutes? No, no. Oh, he's been judgy the whole time. It's just a question. No, no. I was legitimately asking because it felt like both worked, and obviously-

[01:29:44] Oh, why choose one over the other? Yeah, I was curious what your brain thought was. Literally because Ray Charles wore dark sunglasses. Makes sense. No, for sure. That's exactly why I did it. Makes sense. Did you know he was blind? I didn't. Fuck. Yeah, yeah. Well, thanks, Joe, for coming. They almost called it Blind Ray. What if the entire movie of Ray was just about that he was blind? Nothing about the music. What if it was a POV movie? Just black. Just a black screen with audio?

[01:30:13] Just a guy bumping into shit. Ow. Oh, why didn't you tell me it was there? Arguing with his assistant. The sofa moved? Come on. Anyway, where can the people find your brain? The funnest scene would have been- Oh, my God. I'm trying to wrap it up. I am trying so hard, everybody. Can you imagine how awesome the scene would have been if he was doing the Pepsi commercial? You're doing a good job. Diet Pepsi. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Not Diet Pepsi, you dummy. If it's irresistibly, hypothetically, analogically, blah, blah, blah. Just don't ask where people can find him.

[01:30:43] I am only going to say one more thing, and then we'll get to the exit. Bye, everybody. Bye. Nah, cheat saying, eh? Bye. Bye.